Posts by Klaus Vollmer

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Comments You Will Not Year at the 1-9-05 WT Study (Abbreviated)

by blondie in

comments you will not hear at the 1-09-05 wt study (december 1, 2004)

review comments

will be in black and parentheses ().

Klaus Vollmer

hello Blondie,

your comments I never miss, just not always having the time and the motivation to write too a comment.

But it is given and mustbe said that the Brooklyn Eagles do have a commentary to each and every occasion. And you can hit them by their own utterances:

" That means all the meeting attendance and hours riding around in cars in field service are worth nothing if the motivation is not right?"

I recognize the motivation of most of the brethren is given by the facts that they want to have an image, the honor and some privleges among the congregation.

They dont care about the real problems and dont want to be disturbed in their doings. WTS does know this but they are in a scissor: the more they pressure the elders, the les they do.

And they have no others to serve and no stones to speak.

Its the desire for comfort and independece what makes them keep distance to the brothers. They invite only those they like, not those who deserve it. They talk about love but reject it and elders often practice experiences from Dr. Goebbels who explained that you only need throwing some dirt to somebody, a little always will be left on him.

So treat their interests and hold donw those whom they dont want to be in better positions.

I think the fish starts stinking on the head. File and ranks have seldom any idea what goes on, they are the sacrifice ot what is happening.

And Internet and porn seems to be the greates traps for the elders. internet because of apostates with the leading apostates in Crookly and of cause sex sex sex, that they even unse the CO to wash the brains of the servants.

nobody sees when I drink, but everybody sees when I am drunken.

Waht a pity for them that internet makes public how they dare to fake the congregations - eg by their UN and ngo policy.

Woe to the ivory towers and woe to those who dwell there in high positions. They are captives of their own desires of double strategies.

What a great disappointment for all those who followed their councils and who now recognize that Ruthis racket and snare is still alive

Wash my fur but dont make me wet said the bear and lost it to the trapper

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Rutherford

by Klaus Vollmer in

about 40 years ago i had a discussion with an older jw in his 70ies.

he was persecuted by the nazis and was very much interesting.

he told me something like that the president rutherford got his messages from god by the angels who visited him.

Klaus Vollmer

hello folks,

about 40 years ago I had a discussion with an older JW in his 70ies. He was persecuted by the nazis and was very much interesting.

He told me something like that the president Rutherford got his messages from god by the angels who visited him.

I would appreciate to work out if this was a printed teaching or was it rumour.

Thank you for answering - if it was written, please show me where.

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JW reaction to the UN coverup

by redskymedic in

so, if you handed a jw a copy of the un report on the wtbs involvement, how do they react?

are they able to explain this away?

just curious.. red

Klaus Vollmer

it is true that nobody does believe it. they are betrayed betrayers as they only listen to what they want to hear.

with other words: those who reject such facts must be compared with those in ancient Juda who have seen the idolatry but did not react.

When the slave eats the beans, the dubs leave the farts. I wonder when the borg will brake into pieces as I cant believe that at present time there is any bleswsing from above on them

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Pyramids vs the Flood

by ezekiel3 in

historians and scientists agree: the egyptian pyramids were built between 2500 - 2100 bc.

we even have some astronomical evendence that this is true: http://www.robertbauval.com/articles/gpdating.html.

jws teach that:the flood occured at 2370 bcestimates that the tower of babel was constructed around 2189 bcjoseph was sold into slavery 1750 bc (eventually to eygpt, already established as a world power).

Klaus Vollmer

this link might give some close up. Thanks Leo for thy good work

http://www.bibledecoded.com/understanding1.html

KV

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Help needed: How can I download a webssite by Internet Explorer?

by Klaus Vollmer in

jw
friends

i would appreciate if someone could explain to me how i could download a complete website by ms internet explorer.. the german site http://www.geocities.com/wtcleanup/ will be closed with the end of the year.

as the stuff is rather good in explanations and material i dont want to miss it in my files.. thanks for the help.

i think that is must be possible as i remember that once this question was given in any aforum with description how to do.. kv

Klaus Vollmer

I would appreciate if someone could explain to me how I could download a complete website by MS internet explorer.

The German site http://www.geocities.com/wtcleanup/ will be closed with the end of the year. As the stuff is rather good in explanations and material I dont want to miss it in my files.

Thanks for the help. I think that is must be possible as I remember that once this question was given in any aforum with description how to do.

KV

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Would you have accepted THIS response from the Watchtower. Re: U.N

by integ in

dear brothers,

it has been brought to our attention that certain brothers have had questions regarding the societies' membership as a non governmental organization with the united nations from 1991-2001. rest assured that we are no longer members, having removed ourselves from this organization over 3 years ago.

it was only in our undaunted zeal to proclaim the good news to "all nations" (as was jesus' admonition), in these critical last days, that the faithful slave class approved membership as an ngo.

Klaus Vollmer

the covering buddy never would confirm a mistake. They are above the clouds or even like god. Their cult they understand in what they bind is bound and what they damn is damned.

But that is wrong. They are imperfect men longing for power. In this position they have lost the acceptance of Jehovah quite sure as he is mild in thinking and has more humility than those guys in the ivory tower. They seem to have become the sluggish slave who hits the brethren (Luke). Jesus exactly speaks about the fds and the sluggish one in one context.

So we can assure that we are far in the time of the end.

And you recognize very exactly that the power behind the org is disappearing: less hours in the ministry, a Janus-headed community witzh the destiny to live lifes as JWs in the congregation and outside they realize their own life.

And even the travelling elders (CO/DO) seem to doubt in whom they serve. I had some years ago a discussion with one of them. He did not deliver me to the JC as my utterance was only critical regarding 1914, monthly reports and so on.

He said: they cant demand from me any "Kadavergehorsam" which means not to be patient until dead in case of any demand of the org.

From him I know that there are also the travelling brothers discussing what happens and they critizise the circumstances.

The NGO-case has been the final shot against the declining tower. They betrayed Jehovah, the bretheren and themselves, thinking at time of signing the paper that nobody would ever know it.

Now they can blast any lie: no one who is informed about the matter would ever believe them, they should go into sack and ashes and confirm their sin publicly if they ever want back their position.

But before they would do that, the moon would get read.

Those who still believe in Jehovah will surely confirm my opinion that the judgement of the Lord will start in his own house.

The abomination that causes destruction was set up on holy place. Now they will reap what they have sown.

have a look to www.bibledecoded.com

kind regards to all fellows in the forum

KV

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Disfellowshiped for NOT Saluting the Flag

by [email protected] in

did i not read somewhere that in the mid-1930s a growing number of jws were resisting the flag salute?

when the matter came to a head, rutherford had the anti-saluters disfellowshiped.

by the end of the 1930s "new light" reached rutherford, and he started disfellowshiping those who did salute the flag.

Klaus Vollmer

I think, disfellowshipping started end of the 50ies. But Rutherford dfd the German branch officer Balzereit in 1934(?) or about and resoning that with the utterance that he had falsified the Hitler letter which was written by the Judge.

After WW 2 Balzereit came back to the German branch office in Magdeburg and was again sent away by Nathon Homer Knorr.

So it seems that those above made their excommunications like the pope in Rome: without Viagra but with an own Wormwood

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We need solid advice from former Elders

by peacefulpete in

almost unbelievably after 4 years of staying away from the hall and the jws last week they called and said there were allegations of apostasy against us.

we have been very quiet about our feelings and so were very surprised and angered.

we were told that they were going to discuss the allegation and determine if we would be formally accused of apostasy.

Klaus Vollmer

hello pete,

thanks for your open heart to tell us what happend.

I think nlow you are released from the bonds of an org that makes itself to be a god. The elders are nothing more than robots that do what they know the borg wants them to do.

I remember the last elder school in 2002. Before the CO said that if any parents go to the attorney they must be braught before the JC. On the school the CO read a letter: "dont keep anyone away from going to the court".

Thats the org. Today bad is good, tomorrow good is bad, just like slippers you change.

Its ugly that they make you feel burn like on a heap of burning wood. That was the catholic answer to thsoe who gave critics in earlier times. They burnt them an made the others fear the power of the church.

The WTS does the same. They burn those who have doubts in regard to the whoring WTS practice.

I have the same feeling, I am disappointed that with one angel of the mouth they praixe the lord with the other they praise the world.

hypocrites in ivory towers. I think we are really in critical times and the kingdom will coome- but not ion the way they teach.

I am convinced that they are dfd by Christ for their hypocricy.

May Jehovah our god be with the meek ones who have conscience and who trust alone in GOD but not into a slave who gets sluggish.

he will be judged the way he judges.

my kind greeetings to you and your wife. I knew people who were in nazi Germany in the concentration camp and who were shunned by the brothers.

And after the hitler aera we know it was the branch officer who traited the brothers and his substitute. Forst was sent away from Bethel, died at home, Franke was disbanded from responsibility by Richard Kelsey. They were both only outlined figures as the file and ranks were not told abuout the real things.

They will reap what they have sown.

perhaps you will find some encouragenment in www.bibledecoded.com

kind regards

Klaus.

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Apology for 1975, what the Watchtower said ???

by run dont walk in

i'm reading crisis of conscience again, on page 253, at the end of the chapter on 1975, he says the watchtower made an apology for all the hype regarding 1975, apparently stated in the march 15, 1980 watchtower.. can someone please post this ????????.

blondie, where are you !!!!!!!!!!.

anyone know of any other statements the watchtower said regarding their mistake in hyping this ??

Klaus Vollmer

here is a source from a yearbook in German

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yb80 S. 30 Jahrbuch der Zeugen Jehovas 1980 ***

Die Brüder schätzten auch die Offenheit, die in diesem Vortrag zum Ausdruck kam, indem z. B. zugegeben wurde, daß die Gesellschaft für die Enttäuschung, die eine Anzahl Brüder in Verbindung mit dem Jahr 1975 verspürten, teilweise mitverantwortlich ist.

"the brothers appreciated the openness which was expressed in this talk where eg was confessed that the society was also joint responsible for the disappointment which felt a number of brothers in relation to 1975 ."

sorry, its my own translation without dictionary. but about that you can read in the Englsih yearbook. Ist a testimonial that the society confesses its guilt

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No Review This Sunday 6-27-04 Elderly Ones--Valuable Members...

by blondie in

i will be combining the few points in this article with next week's due to time constraints.

if you want to share an observations, please do.

i learn so much from all of you.. just a few points.

Klaus Vollmer

Hi Corvin: you can find by Google the following passage:

http://www.globalaging.org/elderrights/world/abuse.htm

so the WTS might have taken this expression from this org that focusses Africa.